I saw an advertisement today for a company that wanted US and European clients to outsource to India.
Those who want to save money by outsourcing their customer service, technical support, email support, chat support requirements feel free to mail me your requirements and I will have that fulfilled by the centers in India.
Outsourcing is not always the answer.
In fact I have been setting up call centers since 1994 for Europe and US clients and never went to India or China. OK, I admit, there was one exception. The company opened an office in both India and China and hired our own full time staff, just like we would in any country. We paid at the 66% of the median wage. If an average person got between 10,000 and 20,000 a year, our salary was 16,600. Above average, but not high enough to change the local economy. That pay scale was the same in every country for people below the senior director level.
Outsourcing in Europe
I live in France. I had one client, the director of technical support for one of the worlds biggest software companies, that wanted to outsource to India, pretty much because he heard that people were doing that.
His project called for 400 tier 2 and tier 3 call center agents that were all certified by Microsoft, Cisco and other related companies. All agents needed to speak English and about half had to speak French.
The call center decision was given to me (as where they all). I went through all the due diligence as one would expect, and came back with an opinion that we could not keep out call center agents, since the agents habitually moved on to the next job as soon as it paid just a little more. I had been in contact not just with the service providers but also agents who were taking tech support calls.
How to Speak to Indian Call Center Agents
I decided that I needed to speak with the actual agents, so I asked for permission to add tech support calls to my expense report. The budget was nearly bottomless, but the time-line was short, so it was approved. I called a tech support numbers for different companies that had call centers in India, and when I got someone on the line I asked that recording be turned off for my privacy. Not that unusual a request and no one had an issue with it. I paid for my calls by credit card and had an agent that was free to speak about whatever I wanted.
I asked some difficult questions like how do you replicate an SQL data base real time across untrusted domains while using older versions of Microsoft SQL. I had worked a solution out some years before when I actualy had to do this, and since the version of SQL was old I probably new the product better than the agent.
While working through the problem I would quizz the agent on conditions at the office, the pay and everything else. Agents were more than happy to chat and since they knew that the call was not being recorded they were very honest. One agent told me that he went as far as leaving his job in mid-shift because he had a better offer. He just up and left.
Dell left India based on this constant flux of agents and the inability to assure their clients with a proper level of service.
Eastern Europe
Following this ‘awakening’ the team then wanted to set up a call center in Poland. Poland was the next best thing to India/China from the noise the technical support director had been hearing in the press. Poland quickly went bust, the economy was better off that the team had hoped and getting 400 English & French speaking agents would be more expensive than the effort was worth.
Next – Eastern Europe. Bulgaria or Romania apparently had a lot of French speakers, but a combination of the Indian issue where people switched jobs with little notice and the fact that the Economy was getting better gave doubt to the long term value in Eastern Europe (although this seemed better than the Asian solution.
North Africa
Because of the North African history there are a lot of French speakers. I looked at Morocco and Tunisia as possible places for our center. Both countries offered highly educated people (as did China, India, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria) that were very willing to work. We even looked at Algeria, but the country was too unstable.
North Africa lost out because of an existing prejudice against the accent that North Africans have when they speak French. Since I American, I found this odd. These countries were former French colonies and Algeria was actually part of France.
Decision Time
So, each region had something against it. There was either no savings in the long run, high of client un-sat rates or the prejudice that we never speak of out loud.
What I did in the end was to get in touch with a set of French city that all had a high level of unemployment and universities within a 50 kilometer radius. Then we got in touch with the local governments and the local unemployment offices.
In ‘exchange’ for our hiring 400 full time employees to do tier 2 and tier 3 support the city supplied office space and ‘incentives’. An incentive in France can go as far as:
the unemployment office continuing to pay the unemployment benefits, so our company only paid the difference between unemployment benefits and negotiated salary. That is 30% to 50% of the salary.
Paying little or no social charges for several years. Social charges can be 50% of the base salary. This means that a salary of 10,000 actually costs the company 15,000. Total salary and social charges of 15,000 actually cost 5,000 (extreme case)
Great press, help this country and its unemployment level and we have native language speakers who are happy to be in the city they are in, and we know they won’t jump to the next offer, because there are not that many offers.
In The End
The decision to outsource to foreign shores is not one to be taken quickly. Consider what is best for your client overall, not just the cost. You may be surprised to find that a call center in your own city is better than anything you could hope for in another country.
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I think you summed up this very well,
“Consider what is best for your client overall, not just the cost. You may be surprised to find that a call center in your own city”
It’s always better to look in your own backyard first, then weigh the options closely before putting your business, brand, and reputation in the hands of outsource channels.
By the way Richard, I would love for you to send me a picture of the recycleable bags you use in france! I would like to put it on my WalMart post.
Great post,
Hi Richard,
Fascinating story. Never knew that you could ask the agents to, “…turn off the recording for your privacy”.
At some point there has to be a consumer backlash against poor quality customer service. It’s too coincidental that the overall deterioration of the last 10 years has happened at the same time that so much of this work has been outsourced.
How many times have you been told to reinstall Windows as the solution to a software or hardware problem? This happens to me every time I call for support for my laptop (company T***).
What can we do to support a business environment that encourages companies to honor (a) their employees, (b) their customers, and (c) their shareholders – in that order? THAT would be a true productivity, creativity, service and quality revolution.
Alec
I hate outsourcing. It just messes everything up. I am glad you just summed up everything. Great Article man!
Outsourcing saves money… Love it Or hate it, and which business would not want to save some money.
Yes it messes things up, if you do not manage it well. Ousourcing needs proper management, monitor and control. It may or may not work for having the call centre outsourced which needs just 100 odd people for business in single country, but it surely works for large business span across the world which needs 1000 or more people and the business needs support 24 x 7.
If I am the customer, I wont care who is taking my call, as long as I am getting my solution.
It seems that you did not read the article, just the title. the case that I listed had us paying the same cost of less by keeping the call center agents in country.
That was an interesting solution: a call center in the native country! What a novel idea! Too often admin and bosses look at the upfront costs, without considering the full costs of relocating. If you rip companies out of their root cultures, there's no guarantee that the quality assurance will remain; the money leaves; and people no longer associate with the company. It loses its regional quality. Perversely a factor that is becoming increasingly important in a global world. Localness is the new chic.
Effective outsourcing requires more that just hiring a bunch of people in another country. A thorough research effort by competent business analysts is necessary to capture all of the business requirements and to devise metrics to insure that the offshore effort is effectively and economically meeting all of the business needs. Even that seemingly simple first step can be time consuming and expensive. The bulk of most employees’ jobs consists of undocumented processes that the employees usually can’t even coherently describe. Combine that with employee unwillingness to help analysts eliminate their positions, and the effort to capture and document those processes can be very problematic.